Let me explain the reason for this post. I would like others to not have the misfortune I have endured because of these @ssholes. :angry: :angry:

First off i had purchased a complete reseller package from these people it included a domain, a completely setup website/layout with scripts, cart and more, 2 months of free hosting, and a great reselling package that was i believe 400gig space with 1000gig bw transfer for around 49.95 per month. I purchased it from Adam Ference/atechweb and paid to have everything transfered over to my name. Shortly after purchasing this the site would go down VERY frequently for long periods of time. I had complained about this to them and NEVER received any support until i got harsh with my words which finally got their attention. This Adam Ference person tried b*llsh*tting me around with the same excuses,"it works fine on our end", "oh the server was being rebooted", "its your computer thats the problem!" and on and on.. Well at this time i was busy on other projects so i didnt bitch as much until it was time to startup my hosting project and get it up and running. At this point i was still having the same trouble and we notice this time that the page went down and we were getting a yahoo page saying something along the lines of "this account has been deleted for violating tos". At this point i was furious because i knew these conmen had set me up on a yahoo hosting account and NOT their own servers like i should have been.. We told them about this and they tried denying everything..


Our emails we sent back and fourth began to get more nasty as im not the person you want to screw over and lie to.. Not long after one of the emails i had replied to had been sent i notice i cannot login to my ftp no cpanel.. I contact this conman repeadtly and he never responds until i threaten him with contacting a lawyer as well as the bbb,ftc etc. He tries to make excuses up claiming that he didnt receive my email then proceeds to tell me that the people he was reselling for shut him down and that i was "screwed" in getting any of my files from there. He then trys to tell me that they are not responsible for any lost files.. Yes thats true.. but that only applies to HOSTING CUSTOMERS not a reseller like myself. Long before this i had asked him to send me the site files zipped up like was originally negotiated in the deal. He never did so and would ignore what i said about that. We found it very odd that he wouldnt back up such a high quality layout.. After bringing these points across to him and threatning him more he finally agrees that he would make me a new layout, give me a better reselling rate and that he would have it to me on or by the 10th of July.

Id like to mention during this time i had a friend of mine named Vladimir from Russia staying with us and when he used my email account to speak with family/friends he would change the "from name" to his name so that they would know who it was emailing them. Vladimir is not very computer illiterate and apparently had not changed back the from name after using my spare email account. I eventually noticed this and explained to them the reason for the from name saying Vladimir. Id also like to note that i signed EVERY email with MY name. Ok well the 10th rolls by and i hadnt received a single email so i email him back asking just wtf was the deal here. I happened to go out of town on buisness and i return on around the 14th and still no replies so i email him once again. This is where it gets even more rediculous. This Adam Ference scammer has the nerve to say this.. This is a quote from the actual email



Well i had went through numerous email exchanging with this moron and unfortunately i didnt save every little email that i sent unless it was something i felt would be needed when this day did come around that i never got what was rightfully mine. After getting this rediculous email i was furious. Who in their right mind is going to promise someone they dont even know a freaking complete website/hosting/and reseller package!! I mean come on now how freaking rediculous is that!? This idiot knew damn well who he was dealing with and who made the purchase from him.. "ME" not vladimir who of which NEVER met him nor can speak a single word of english! We believe this conman ran out of excuses and used our poor friend as scapegoat. After this i had responded to him that all the threats that i made in the past.. will now go into action. I have already contacted the BBB, FTC, Paypal, Ebay, lawyer, Reported him for fraud to numerous other agencies and I will be posting about their poor poor poor conmen services on every hosting related board I can find. We came to find out that these people have screwed many others as well.

In closing id like to once again warn everyone of these scammers before they get ripped off like I did. If anyone else has been conned by these criminals and or had the misfortune of using their crappy service please contact me and let me know. The more people we have to file something against these scammers the better a case we can present. As well I am looking for a really good resellers package if anyone can offer me something similar to what I was previously offered.


Chris, Dinohosting.com

As far as the deal I am new to the webhosting industry and I had won the package on ebay for a extremely great price. I had asked around about this deal and had found out it was a moderately great VIRTUAL HOSTING RESELLER deal for the original price and even better at the reduced special rate they were only offering at this one time. They were originally offering the specs i had mentioned for around $120 per month and had only made this deal as a one time thing for this specific package they had put together.

As for the space it could easily be achieved if the server(s) contained multiple harddrives in a raid array and or so many on the IDE ch's or if they were running a SCSI setup.

Hi dinohosting,
This unfortunately is a case of "if it seems to good to be true then it is". No one in there right mind would offer 400gig space with 1000gig bw transfer for around 49.95 per month, even for $120 amonth that is just outright ridiculous.

It's not so much the bandwidth but the space, this would take at least 4 - 5 hd's and the cost of purchasing and setting them up alone would be totally prohibitive and it would take nearly twelve months to recover those costs not to mention the bandwidth, support staff, etc etc.

This was a disaster waiting to happen and while it is unfortunate that you were caught up in it, I honestly can't believe that after your experience you are now asking for a similar package and I'm guessing you want it for around the same price.

My advice to you (if you are willing to except it) is to get real and take a look at what you really need as far as space and bandwidth are concerned and then if you come up with the same figures (I seriously doubt you will) get a dedicated server or three. It will cost you more however it will be more reliable and therefore in the long run you will gain a reputation for offering a dependable service and therefore you will gain more clients and that spells a win win situation for your clients and ultimately you.

If you come up with a smaller figure then look at purchasing either a realistic reseller account at a realistic price or a VPS/VDS again a win win situation for all.

And as for the company that offered you this deal here's hoping they get what they deserve and that the innocent parties in this recover all monies owed etc.

Hi dinohosting,
Just a couple things that you might want to consider in the future:
1. While you might find bargains on ebay, you really need to consider in the future about purchasing hosting from ebay. I certainly would NOT advise it. I cannot imagine doing that! With a reseller account you are at the hands of your upstream. Your upstream more than likely has an upstream so you are basically the third party. If he doesnt pay his bills, it in turn affects you and your clients. Its a very fine line with reselling and you need to be involved with someone youve researched or know and trust ESPECIALLY if you are running a paid hosting service. Believe me its all easier said than done.
2. HONESTLY..think about what you purchased! An enormous amount of space, etc. for one low price? How is YOUR upstream going to profit from you? They wont, in anything long term! The market has become sooo saturated with the fly by night companies and they make their quick initial buck and you are left high and dry. Consumers have to become more educated. Spend your OWN money wisely!
3. I am just assuming you paid by paypal? Im not sure how much help they can be but I would advise contacting whatever processor you did use for payment and see if they can assist.

Yea thanks guys im going to be more careful while choosing this time. Im pretty much just setting up another project for me to manage right now. Id like to get fully into the hosting industry but for now I just want to setup a little virtual hosting package with a nice little amount of clients for some extra reocurring cash. I dont plan on this jerk paying me my money back so along with all the other unsatisified clientel, im going to make his life a living hell.

I can understand purchasing tangible goods on ebay, but services.

You are no the only one however. Many have falled for these hosting company's.

Web-xperts.com is another company where every one of their servers is overloaded and of course goes down every week.